Conversations about the Catholic Church

with Louie Verrecchio and John Lane

Conversations so far

Episode 1 - A history of the crisis in the Catholic Church, the traditional reaction to the changes in the Church, the schism of Paul VI, the innocence of the traditionalists, how the traditional chapels were founded, the origins of the Society of St. Pius X, what is obedience and authority, the rule of law, the tyranny of the New Church, the Church continued normally in the East but not in the West, the impossibility of obeying Modernists, sedevacantism as an explanation of the crisis.

Episode 2

 Episode 2 - History of sedevacantism, Patrick Henry Omlor, Guerard des Lauriers, William Morgan of the UK, Bishop Donald Sanborn and Fr. Anthony Cekada, moderate sedevacantism, believing what's in the theology manuals, sacred theology is the scientific expression of the Catholic Faith, the living magisterium, infallibility, Fr. Pagliarani's condemnation of the New Mass, JC Fenton on the Mass as The Act of the Mystical Body, R&R, Lefebvre, "una cum" masses, unity of the Church, law, etc.

Episode 3

The papacy as supreme authority, Iota Unum by Romano Amerio on renunciation of authority, using judgement to see what’s really there, refusing to govern by law is refusing to be pope, the rehabilitation of unsound theologians, not governing is the theme of the new papacy, trads picking and choosing, infallibility of the magisterium, the rule of faith, infallible safety, the church cannot lead us astray, universal recognition, true adherence,  passion of the Mystical Body, we are privileged.

Episode 4

Church State relations, indefectibility of the local Church of Rome, visibility of the Church, Archbishop Lefebvre's position was that he openly speculated that he might declare the See of Rome vacant, continuity  of the hierarchy, supplied jurisdiction, a  false pope can validly appoint a bishop to a  see.

Episode 5

Where is the Church? and "Is it the same Church?" a constant theme through the crisis, the validity of the New Sacramental rites, a false principle commonly accepted among traditionalists is the idea that the Church can give us an evil rite, but not an invalid one.

Episode 6

Private judgement, the reality of human nature, we are free and responsible and therefore have to form judgements and act in accord with them, how this ties in with the rule of law, and that the individual is not only able, but required, to judge and reject any supposed human law which is contrary to divine law.  Subjectivism, and judging souls, opposed to objective reality and leaving aside judging persons.  This subjectivism destroys the visible unity of the Church.

Episode 7

How will we ever get another pope if there are no more cardinals? Several possibilities are given by the theologians, but in any case the Church as a perfect society has always what she needs to continue to be what she is and she will always possess the capacity to provide herself with a visible head.  What is heresy?  Definition of what must be held with divine and catholic faith.  Heresy is obstinate denial of what must be held with divine and catholic faith.  How is heresy known?  

Episode 8

What is a "member" of the Church?  Theologians historically used the term variously, Bellarmine's definition of membership has become classical, and was canonised by Pius XII in Mystici Corporis Christi.  Membership is a visible thing, therefore connected intimately with the visible unity of the Church.  In the post-V2 era you never hear accusations of heresy, only schism, because the faith is no longer an objective set of propositions, but a feeling or a vague idea.  Theology manuals, etc.

Episode 9

Answering viewers' questions.  The "una cum" controversy.  Fraternity of St. Peter, doubtful sacraments, safety in the Society of St. Pius X.  Did the New Mass come from the Church?  Difference between lawfulness and validity, and why we cannot be sure of the validity of the New Mass or any of the new sacramental rites promulgated by Modernists.  It isn't enough to have a Church which leads souls to hell in fact, but theoretically does not cross some abstract line.

Episode 10

More questions from viewers.  More on membership in the Church, and how it has changed pre- and post- Vatican II.  The four marks of the Church.  The mark of unity.  These marks are visible, so the Church is visibly united, so you must be able to see them.  In the New Code baptism = membership so everybody who is baptised is a member and since baptism is permanent you can never lose membership.  It's the Hotel California - you can check out any time you like but you can never leave.